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Lord Mandelson speech transcript on P2P copyright and creative industries 28 October 2009

C&binet | 28 Oct 2009, 12:23

Rt Hon Lord Mandelson speech to the c&binet forum, 28 October 2009

Lord Mandelson keynote speech, c&binet forum 2009

I’d like to make a couple of basic points today about the creative industries in Britain. First, I want to put down a firm marker on the scale of their contribution to our prosperity in a globalised economy. Second, I want to say something about what we need to do to preserve that strength for the future, especially what we now plan to do to adapt and update our approach to copyright for a very different, interconnected and digital world. 

Why the creative industries matter

I’ve been trying to think of the first time that I was really aware of just how seriously Britain’s impact as a creative economy is out of all proportion to its size. I think it was some time in the last decade, probably looking up at Norman Foster’s glass dome for the Reichstag or reflecting on Harry Potter’s decade of global conquest, or maybe it was watching Robbie Williams charm the socks off 15000 Belgians – and at least one Englishman - in Antwerp a few years ago. 

Did you know that there is now almost no country on earth where you can’t watch Midsomer Murders? Which means there are a lot of people out there who have a very distorted view of the British homicide rate. Just think of it.  We watch The Wire here in Britain. But in West Baltimore they watch Midsomer Murders and say “Sure, it’s pretty, but man it’s dangerous over there!”

The numbers that back up these anecdotal examples – I suspect an underestimate - are genuinely striking. The export earnings of the UK creative industries alone are worth about 16 billion pounds. That’s about 4 per cent of UK exports. They employ almost two million people in our economy.

I’m a big defender of an economy based on making things, which is why I often speak about manufacturing. But in terms of added value in a global economy the difference between making a car or a plane and making a TV show or a video game is largely a meaningless one. Especially when you consider how integral and central to the manufacturing process innovative design is.

The digitalisation of creative industry

But of course the creative industries are undergoing an immense shift, driven above all by the internet and by digital technology. We now have greater unmediated access to cultural goods than ever before, and in formats that make them easier to appropriate and share than ever before. A world where creative content is conceived, published, distributed, advertised and consumed digitally is revolutionary for the users of cultural goods, and revolutionary for the people who produce them.

In some respects it creates huge new opportunities for the creative industries. It means industries have greater ability than ever to reach new customers, to speak to them directly and to tailor creative goods to them, their needs and their tastes.

They are also less geographically bound than they have ever been – the contributors to a creative product, even one produced in hours like a newspaper, no longer even need to be in the same country, let alone the same room. Our most ambitious creative industries are going increasingly to see a world in which English is the preponderant language as their wider market, with the UK as a hinterland and as a launching pad. 

This means we are going to have to work even harder to make sure the environment for creative industry here is right. At a very basic level that means making sure we have the digital infrastructure in Britain – which is one of the key questions that the Government’s Digital Britain report addressed.

It’s going to mean making sure that our education system is producing the right skills – both the fundamental intellectual and artistic confidence that is the root of creativity, but also the craft skills that underwrite so much creative endeavour. The technicians and producers and programmers and editors, and even the builders who often literally build the stage on which creative industry takes place. 

But the big challenge that the digital economy poses for the creative industries, of course, concerns content producers’ control over their ideas and goods. The creative industries are literally built on the idea that it is legitimate to protect the value of creativity through copyright and intellectual property rights. If they don’t retain that, frankly they don’t have a viable business model left. 

The creative sector has faced challenges to protected formats before and it has survived robustly – in spite of some Cassandra-like predictions from inside the industry. Home taping didn’t kill the music industry.  Home video didn’t do for movies.  But the threat faced today from online infringement, particularly unlawful file-sharing, is of a different scale altogether.

I was shocked to learn that only one of every 20 tracks downloaded in the UK is downloaded legally. One in twenty. You just can’t have sustainable creative industries under the pressure of this kind of theft – and that’s what it is. So I want to be absolutely clear. The British Government’s view is that taking people’s work without due payment is wrong and that, as an economy based on creativity, we cannot sit back and do nothing as this happens. 

The trouble is that too many users of digitised cultural goods simply don’t see it that way. When 15 year old intern Matthew Robson reported back to his bosses at Morgan Stanley in the summer on the attitudes of his peers to digital content his key conclusion was pretty much: they want what they want and they don’t really want to pay for it. That was the view of a 15 year old intern at Morgan Stanley.  And, of course, on the internet it’s incredibly easy to get just that.  The important cultural and ethical sense that it is an issue of right and wrong is eroding before our eyes.  This is not just morally unacceptable:  it’s also commercially unsustainable for artists, for investors and producers alike. 

A new business model

Now, it seems self-evident to me that trying to evolve new business models against these kind of attitudes is very hard, and I take my hat off to those who have tried.  Further investment in new business models is important.  But the Government also has a responsibility to act.  That is why we have decided to intervene and legislate to tackle the problem of file-sharing, and it is why other countries, including France and the United States, are doing the same.

What we will be putting before Parliament is a proportionate measure that will give people ample awareness and opportunity to stop breaking the rules.  It will be clear to them that they have been detected, that they are breaking the law and that they risk prosecution.  If necessary we have also made it clear that we will go further and make technical measures available, including account suspension.  In this case, there will be a proper route of appeal. But it must become clear that the days of consequence-free widespread online infringement are over.

When I reopened this issue back in the summer there was a lot of contentious debate, not surprisingly. But, let me be clear on this point: technical measures will be a last resort and I have no expectation of mass suspensions resulting. If we reach the point of suspension for an individual, they will be informed in advance – having previously received two notifications – and will have the opportunity to appeal.  But the threat for persistent individuals is, and has to be, real, or no effective deterrent to breaking the law will be in place. 

Neither do we want Internet Service Providers to be unfairly burdened. ISPs and rights holders will share the costs, on the basis of a flat fee that will allow both sides to budget and to plan.

That’s our side of the bargain.  The aim here is to give rights holders and others the space to invest in and develop new ways of offering content, in the way that people want it, and at a price that makes sense to buyer and to seller.

But the reality is that the massive demand for easier and cheaper access to books and films and music and other content is not something that we can or should be indifferent to. The market is telling you in no uncertain terms that people want access to copyrighted material on different terms from those the industry currently wants to offer.  Every time that demand is ignored, we give free-riders an excuse to keep on taking the stuff through the back door.

I strongly agree that we have to educate people on the value of intellectual property rights. Our new approach will create the launch pad for such an educational campaign.  But the only way to re-establish a strong consensus around the fairness and value of copyright is to bring the whole IP regime into the modern world.

A ‘legislate and enforce’ approach to beating piracy can only ever be part of the solution. The best long term solution is there in front of our noses. It’s the market –  but it has to be a market in which those who love music and film, for example, can find a deal that makes breaking the law an unnecessary risk. I know how complicated building these networks and services can be, but in that respect, the industry needs to move faster in a much more agile, commercial and market response orientated way to help itself. There are some good, cheap, legal services operating. If I can help by convening discussions or knocking heads together then I want to know.

Andrew Gowers did a fine job of looking at this from a UK perspective in 2006. But we have also recognised the need to approach this from a broader angle, recognising that many of the most important levers for this exist at European and international level.

We announced in Digital Britain that we would be looking at collective licensing and at Orphan Works, and these practical changes will make a real difference, and help make the process of clearing rights less painful without eroding the position of rights holders.  However, I am announcing today a Copyright Strategy to take us to the next stage. 

In particular, our strategy grasps the nettle of what a fair deal looks like between creators, rights holders, copyright users and citizens. It accepts that there is a case for easier and cheaper access to copyrighted material and that making a reality of this is a key part of the wider bargain of which tougher penalties for illegal file-sharing are but one part.  We need to be clear what is and is not allowed.  At present, the legal framework – almost universally ignored – disallows all sorts of perfectly sensible private use, like moving songs from computer onto an IPOD.  If we are to make clear that rules are to be enforced, then all the rules need to be sensible and they need to be up-to-date.

I think this new approach is particularly relevant in two cases. For pre-commercial use of copyright material – where wider access could help transform it into innovative commercial uses for which the original holder would of course be compensated.

And for non-commercial uses in the home and among friends and families, where there needs to be a whole new approach. Together we are going to have to figure out exactly how we can do this.

No less important, the strategy recognises that we have to do this at the European level and it gives notice that the UK wants to help lead and drive this debate in Europe.

The bottom line for the Government is that the creative industries are and must remain central to a balanced, knowledge economy.  They are one of the keys to the recovery now underway and our whole economic future. There is no economy on earth in which the creative industries play such an important part in overall growth and job creation, and that is an immense asset to the UK that we are determined to preserve and strengthen. Anyone who doubts that needs to take a look at the Love and Money exhibition in the Ivory Foyer, here in the Grove, which is a wonderful expo of fifty years of British creative brilliance. Today our collective challenge is to deliver the basis for the next fifty years of creative British endeavour and leadership. 

I hope that our approach and the stable, predictable framework being put in place will allow good commercial decisions to be taken for the benefit of everyone including consumers, who we are all here to serve.

c&binet forum 2009 - summary of the first afternoons discussions

Andrew | 27 Oct 2009, 19:25

Nobody can truly believe they have an entitlement to take the creative work of others for free, was Elio Leoni-Sceti’s message at the start of the afternoon session. Free has a place, he argued – as a trial, a booster, a way of engaging people with the music – but the bottom line has to be to give people what they want and make it quality, then they will wish to pay.

EMI Music’s Chief Executive looked to gaming as a useful lesson in how to create demand among an engaged online community –  neatly trailing the panel discussion on free content that followed.


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Kristian Segerstrale, CEO of Playfish spoke of the ideal model for the games world leading players not to a single choice to pay for the next level but to a shopping mall of choices with emotional resonances – like playing or paying for gifts to send such as virtual flowers. Tongue in check, Robert Andrews of paidContent:UK, admired the mastery of getting someone to pay for something that doesn’t exist.

The consensus was that the way forward is quality of consumer experience – or to focus not on the stick but on ‘big carrots’.

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Next, Patrick Mckenna began the Scale, Risk & Investment session by highlighting that through the digital age comes the unique opportunity of our time through access to consumers which the internet has provided. Because of this, the small companies – that make up the majority of the creative industries - can grow more rapidly than ever before, providing they have access to investment. The challenge for them is accessing finance whilst retaining their IP, which is vital to generate profit and future growth. He also pointed out that majority of financial backing comes from the major corporations, independent sources were scarce.

Simon Fuller followed saying entrepreneurs need to think long term to guarantee future success and stressed the importance that when finding an investor, make sure that they really understand your business. Don’t be afraid to take risks, however entrepreneurs need to prove their success to obtain higher market values.

Lorna Tilbian, said stock markets were not the best place for entrepreneurs to be growing their businesses, as this area wants scale and reliable profits which creatives who are starting out struggle to offer. Therefore do not rush to list too soon. 

Julie Meyer said entrepreneurs must think big, start small and move fast. However in the UK the financial investors and venture capitalists have not yet caught up with the quality of their creative industries.

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The last session of the day saw a discussion about whether there was a future for Copyright in the Digital Age and centered around what the true value of online content was in the digital age

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Points were made that the ability for producers to charge a higher market price should be maintained through legislators taking measures to restrict filesharing. This was backed up by an assertion that over 50 per cent of the bandwidth from ISPs was being taken up by those downloading content unlawfully. In response the point was made that by reducing the unit price of the content you would increase demand sufficiently for you to raise more revenue. The inflexiblity of the current copyright regime was criticised with points being made about the high barriers to entry, with illegal routes providing less barriers than legal routes.  Other points included the need for the establishment of a copyright framework that was understandable by consumers so that they knew their rights, as well as knowing what they couldn’t do and a short discussion about whether the EC needed to get to a common viewpoint on copyright across member states if industry were to make progress with views on both sides of the argument.

c&binet forum - summary of discussions from the first morning

C&binet | 27 Oct 2009, 13:39

A call to unleash the full extent of Europe’s creative potential ended this morning’s session – one that began by addressing as unproductive the ‘deafness and shouting’ around piracy that has dominated discussion up to now.

Creative Industries minister Siôn Simon, Dame Gail Rebuck of Random House and Chris Clarke of Sapient Nitro debated the shades of grey between the polarised opinion, with a consensus emerging on the necessity of moving forward on a range of fronts – new business models, acceptance of consumer’s mindsets, and proportionate action to protect rights holders.

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Vivendi’s Jean-Bernard Levy, interviewed by Amanda Andrews, set out how his company is successfully straddling the content production and distribution worlds, declared the album not dead and dropped a teaser for things to come – gaming guitar heroes exchanging virtual axes for virtual decks with DJ Hero.

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Wired’s David Rowan then drew out visions for the near future from the Creative Infrastructure panel – all-seeing, all-knowing TV that responds like a Wii, protective walls around creative businesses coming crashing down, and sexed-up meta data.

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The rights issue returned, with Ashley Highfield contrasting the easy march of technological progress against the complexity of liberating content for future exploitation. That before David Rowan asked if piracy isn’t dead in the face of the opportunities opening up for creative leaders prepared to take risks and sail into choppy waters.

As a curtain-raiser for Lord Mandelson’s speech tomorrow, intellectual property minister David Lammy had a dream of a clear, fair and reasonable future where ‘freedom of access is not the same as access for free.’

Odile Quintin, the EU Director General for Education and Culture closed this morning’s session with a call for greater partnerships between the creative industries and educators to unleash the full extent of Europe’s creative potential.

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The response so far to the event from the online community has been tremendous, with #cabinetforum trending at one point during the session.

Many thanks. Stay with us for Elio Leoni-Scetifrom EMI Music restarting proceedings before discussions on Free Content and Scale, Risk and Investment.

C&binet forum opening night discussion roundup

Andrew | 26 Oct 2009, 20:47

C&binet forum 2009 opened with a discussion led by Newsweek’s Stryker McGuire, who interviewed a panel consisting of Secretary of State Ben Bradshaw MP, Wired UK editor David Rowan and c&binet ambassador Professor Phil Redmond about the state of the creative economy.

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The Secretary of State revealed that the growth of the UK’s creative economy endured the recession, despite some of the problems caused by a shrinking advertising market and defended the role of government spending on culture, arguing that a £1 investment by the DCMS delivers a £5 return in terms of economic activity stimulated. David Rowan echoed this positive outlook by arguing that the UK punches above his weight in every area of the creative sector but he suggested that SMEs have too little access to government (something that c&binet can play a role in remedying), which was a theme he carried through to his presentation of the Creative Economy in 2010 exhibition. Rowan also pointed out that copyright issues were not the only issue which government needs to address, referring to the risk of creative brain drain and arguing that the industry needed to move on from discussions about copyright. The Secretary of State replied that it was only possible to move on once some sort of solution had been reached.

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Phil Redmond argued that the digital age represents a unique opportunity for creatives to engage with their consumers directly, which he believes every creative business person is excited about. He also tried to put the current disruption in an historical context, suggesting that the media industry had always struggled against restrictive practices and regulatory regimes. David Rowan said the recent use of Twitter to overturn legal injunctions against the Guardian newspaper’s attempts to report Parliamentary questions showed that technology couldn’t be tamed. The same would hold true for the copyright challenge, he said. Stryker McGuire concluded by speaking up for the performance of Britain’s creative entrepreneurs, who he said had exploded the myth that Britain doesn’t do entrepreneurialism.

Following on from the opening discussion was a debate on illegal file sharing, moderated by Tim Suter
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This was not a panel of extreme views.  It was a discussion that started with a universal belief that artists should receive re-numeration for their content. The point was made that the genie was out of the bottle and that technical measures could only ever amount to “speed bumps” in the fight against illegal filesharing.  There was some recognition of this with panelists seeing technical measures as the legislative backdrop which would encourage consumers to move back towards rewarding creators for their products.  ISPs had a role to play in this, working with the industry to develop new business models and then encouraging users to take advantage of them.  There was though a view that many of those that illegally fileshared did so because they saw a rich and indulgent content industry that did not need the extra money that their legal purchase would provide.  The music industry in particular needed to better connect with their consumers to show that illegal filesharing did real harm to up and coming artists.


Clare Reddington, who’s talking at c&binet on Wednesday, has written about the first day on her blog.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown welcome message to c&binet forum

C&binet | 26 Oct 2009, 20:16

The Prime Minister welcomes delegates and the online community to c&binet forum:

The Creative Economy in 2010: C&binet Showcase

Nick | 26 Oct 2009, 15:00

The Creative Economy in 2010 is an exhibition curated by David Rowan, Editor of Wired UK. The brief was simple but incredibly challenging: Find the British creative companies, ideas and products that will help to transform the way we think about the creative economy in 2010. We wanted c&binet forum 2009 to celebrate the best of British creativity and showcase creative entrepreneurs to the major companies attending the forum and it had to reflect the breadth and diversity of the creative economy - the rest was up to him.

David’s on stage now, explaining how and why he chose the resulting list of exhibitors, but here it is in full. We’ll bring you more on the exhibit soon.

FASHION

SOCIAL SUICIDE
www.socialsuicide.co.uk

HOWIES
www.howies.co.uk

WORN AGAIN
www.wornagain.co.uk

ETHICAL LIVING

GREEN THING
www.dothegreenthing.com

FIREWINDER
www.firewinder.com
PRODUCT DESIGN

CENTRE FOR VISION IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD
www.vdw.ox.ac.uk

MIN-KYU CHOI
www.minkyu.com

LIFESAVER SYSTEMS
www.lifesaversystems.com

BARBER OSGERBY
www.barberosgerby.com

CRAFT

YULIA BRODSKAYA
www.artyulia.com

KATE JENKINS
www.cardigan.ltd.uk

IEUAN REES
www.ieuanreeslettering.co.uk

ART

BENJAMIN SHINE
www.benjaminshine.com

PERFORMANCE ART

BOMPAS & PARR
www.jellymongers.co.uk

PUBLIC ART & INSTALLATION

GREYWORLD
www.greyworld.org

TROIKA
www.troika.uk.com

STEPHANIE IMBEAU
www.stephanieimbeau.com

ARCHITECTURE

THOMAS HEATHERWICK
www.heatherwick.com

SHEPPARD ROBSON
www.sheppardrobson.com

AB ROGERS DESIGN
www.abrogers.com

GRAPHIC DESIGN

YCN
www.ycnonline.com

PHOTOGRAPHY

TIM SIMMONS
www.timsimmons.co.uk

JULIA FULLERTON-BATTEN
www.juliafullerton-batten.com

BENEDICT REDGROVE
www.benedictredgrove.com

ADVERTISING

A BEST OF BRITISH ADVERTISING SHOWREEL
www.contagiousmagazine.com

SOMERS TOWN (2008)
www.somers-town.com

FILM

NOT TO SCALE
www.nottoscale.tv

DAVID WILSON
www.davidwilsoncreative.com

KATY DAVIS
www.gobblynne.com

FIELD
www.field.io

INTERACTIVE SOFTWARE

SEEPER
www.seeper.com

JOEL GETHIN LEWIS
www.joelgethinlewis.com

TINKER.IT!
www.tinker.it

DIGITAL CONTENT

TATE TRACKS
www.tatetracks.org.uk

MIND CANDY
www.mindcandy.com

SIX TO START
www.sixtostart.com